tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-588118538433483895.post775504094316026925..comments2024-03-10T04:20:28.140-04:00Comments on Art With a Needle: Outsourcing the quilting 2 -- is it collaboration?Kathleen Loomishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05930922068379938756noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-588118538433483895.post-40117056711792056052016-09-26T14:58:38.826-04:002016-09-26T14:58:38.826-04:00As a brand-new member of SAQA I have missed this d...As a brand-new member of SAQA I have missed this debate and am getting a late start. My opinion should probably be marginally considered; however, I do have an opinion. <br /><br />Having just been to a quilt exhibit and seeing the Best of Show, I was uneasy with the award. The quilt was (IMO) ordinary. The quilt was exquisitely quilted and made the quilt what it is. I know both parties involved and the quilt won because of the quilting. The quilter's name was an *. This is a single incident, but this does happen. Good quilters have artistic talent like anyone else and it is sometimes hard for them to quilt by instruction. <br /><br />There is certainly no easy answer for this one. And, for the record, I piece, design and do the quilting myself. My quilting is mostly geometric and dense, but would not win any awards! But, I am OK with that. It is all mine. That does not mean that I make any judgments toward anyone else. It is just a personal decision of mine. Everyone's art is personal and so is the process whatever they choose. <br /><br />(I have also had opinions about Chihuly, but his art is so distinctive.)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13899911616587761092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-588118538433483895.post-6445310385525547492016-09-13T20:49:00.607-04:002016-09-13T20:49:00.607-04:00And for the record, there's much controversy a...And for the record, there's much controversy about Chihuly's staff and how little credit they get - some of it among the assistants themselves. Plus this has been an issue for a long time in the Fine Art World and continues to be so. So if anything, having this discussion should link art quilters closer to the Fine Arts world, not further from it.The Idaho Beautyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09979439849662755082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-588118538433483895.post-7684936986687141192016-09-11T02:54:04.879-04:002016-09-11T02:54:04.879-04:00Oh the fun topics I miss by rarely reading the saq...Oh the fun topics I miss by rarely reading the saqa list. <br /><br />I find this topic to be completely irrelevant to art. <br /><br />It's a question for the quilt police. A group I don't spend much time worrying about. And interestingly I find the art quilt police to be much more rigid than the traditional quilt police. Lisa Callhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08757517309377110626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-588118538433483895.post-69407140712084780442016-09-09T15:52:58.043-04:002016-09-09T15:52:58.043-04:00Who knew this topic would lead to such a lengthy d...Who knew this topic would lead to such a lengthy discussion on the SAQA chat group and now in your blog and I suspect others. My thought is that nomenclature isn't as important as an agreement reached between parties if more than one person is involved creating the artwork. Are both parties expecting credit if the work is exhibited, wins prize money, is sold, is published, etc.? Does one party get top billing? Gwyned Trefethenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13041159153171283941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-588118538433483895.post-73248986866111646332016-09-08T20:24:27.827-04:002016-09-08T20:24:27.827-04:00It really is all a matter of personal definition. ...It really is all a matter of personal definition. If individuals are going to be considered collaborators, I agree that they should be involved from the beginning of the project to the end. In this case, I was honored to be asked to contribute a portion of the design element and use my own artistic expression to complete it. Perhaps it's the difference between Contributor vs. Collaborator. <br /><br />A wonderful memory: hanging the three panels in my studio, sitting and looking at them together, when I asked you, "So, Kathy, how would you quilt this if you were going to attempt it?" Your answer? "I don't have the slightest idea."MJ Kinmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-588118538433483895.post-70219375303425288042016-09-08T16:59:04.101-04:002016-09-08T16:59:04.101-04:00Dale Chihuly and Damien Hirst have assistants and ...Dale Chihuly and Damien Hirst have assistants and do not credit them. Chihuly practically has a factory of artisans who physically create his work in Seattle. I personally think it is one more thing that would keep art quilters more linked to the quilt world and further from the Fine Art world. Carol Tricehttp://www.caroltrice.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-588118538433483895.post-76940541870486009302016-09-08T13:43:42.885-04:002016-09-08T13:43:42.885-04:00Perhaps a distinction in nomenclature?
Quilt top ...Perhaps a distinction in nomenclature? <br />Quilt top and quilting pattern designed by LW, quilting executed by ABC.<br />vs<br />Quilt top designed by LW, quilting designs created and executed by ABC. <br /><br />From a consumer perspective, it is nice to know who ABC is and do I want to use them for my quilts. <br /><br />Unless the binding is unique and intrinsic to the design then no on the binding credit. That just seems silly to me. But I'm a bed/throw quilt maker for the most part.<br /><br />And a HUGE "no" on crediting every last person on input. At the end of the day it is all my choices, so no on some minimum wage person at the fabric store who just wanted to go home and said the yellow was good, or that painting I saw last year, or the encouragement I got at my last quilt meeting. Or, or, or. What about every person, book and visual media item that I've looked at in the last 45 years that has informed my artistic sensibilities, style, and technique? That would be a long entry. Leigh in Portland (we are not burning down)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06372544021604211747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-588118538433483895.post-79755644253016504392016-09-08T10:03:17.297-04:002016-09-08T10:03:17.297-04:00I don't exhibit quilts on any level, but do go...I don't exhibit quilts on any level, but do go to local shows. IMHO, the person who did the quilting should be named, and it would be nice to know if they picked the quilting that was done. I've noticed quite a few quilts that to my eye, were done no favors by the quilter - I can't see the quilt top for the quilting - it just clashes somehow. And I've seen quite a few that were elevated by the quilting. If I start to notice a pattern of who did good and who did not, I'd like to know, as someday I *will* get quilt tops far enough to send off (no space or desire to quilt big ones myself either). And I'd rather not get them back and see the quilting override seeing the quilt top design. But I'm not making art quilts, I'm making quilts to use. Does makes a difference?JustGailhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08948391538309176039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-588118538433483895.post-33115946326597736822016-09-08T08:54:59.564-04:002016-09-08T08:54:59.564-04:00I wouldn't worry so much about how much credit...I wouldn't worry so much about how much credit to give to someone - after all someone could throw out a quick idea and make a big difference in the finished project while another can spend hours discussing something with you and it doesn't change what you would have done anyway. I think that as long as you mention the person by name as someone who had a part in the making, that is what is important. I wouldn't try to quantify the amount of help too much.<br /><br />I'd rather be inclusive instead of exclusive so I would credit the person who found the perfect orange and the person who did the binding. It is hard to know where to draw the line, since a bunch of people probably gave advice on the blog. I suppose if I asked do you like A or B better? I wouldn't credit anyone since they were both my ideas, but if someone gave me a C option that I ran with, maybe I would credit that person too. Maybe a "with some input from my blog readers" instead of a complete listing.Shelina (formerly known as Shasta)https://www.blogger.com/profile/03290945204269323129noreply@blogger.com